This week the Wishbone continues its lists of “greatests ever,” this time looking at the best games (“best” for a variety of reasons) Auburn has played in stadiums not called “Jordan-Hare.” One caveat: This list excludes bowl games. Those appeared in a previous column. [The Ten Best Auburn Games That Never Happened can be found here.]
The methodology was thus: John chose the ten numbered games and offers commentary, and then Van follows up with more discussion of John’s choice and (in some cases) suggests alternate games against that same opponent.
As usual with us, we draw the cutoff date at 1981, which we consider to be the beginning of the “modern era” of Auburn football—the first season led by Coach Pat Dye.
As could be expected, the 2010 season definitely caused us to rework this list pretty comprehensively. One could even argue that every away game from this past season should be included, as each one of them led us closer toward the national title. That wouldn’t make for a particularly interesting or entertaining list, though, so we’re going to limit the 2010 games as best we can.
Also as usual, we welcome suggestions of games we’ve overlooked and arguments about the ones we’ve included. A slight effort has been made to rank them in order of importance, but such measurements are extremely subjective and surely everyone who reads this will prefer a different order to the list.
John adds: I ranked these purely on the basis of “best games” rather than “most meaningful games.”
10. Georgia, Athens, 2005 season.
John: The improbable finish. Fourth and 11 at our 34. Brandon Cox to Devin Aromashodu for 63 yards—and then the ball is stripped and recovered in the end zone by Courtney Taylor. A gigantic play. Georgia went on to win the SEC Championship Game but experts were saying Auburn was probably the best team in the conference by the end of the year.
Van: I watched this game in a bar in Lawrenceville, not an hour away from Athens, surrounded by Dawgs fans. When Brandon completed that fourth down pass and Devin raced the length of the field, I was the only person in the room jumping up and down and screaming—and the only one probably in immediate danger of being stabbed to death by a hundred steak knives, now that I think about it.
The really remarkable thing about how this game ended was that what could have been an absolutely catastrophic mistake—Aromashodu fumbling as he neared the goal line—turned into the best possible scenario. If he had scored on the play, Georgia would have gotten the ball back with nearly a minute to go and only needing a field goal to win. Instead, Auburn got the ball on the one yard line, ran the clock down, kicked the field goal for the win, and walked off. The Dawgs offense never got back on the field.
9. Georgia Tech, Atlanta, 1987 season.
John: This will be forever remembered as the Aundray Bruce game. This is the game that convinced the Falcons to make him the first overall pick in the NFL Draft—much to their later dismay.
Van: Auburn had battled Tech in some memorable games over the years, and this was to be the final game of the series overall (Tech didn’t want to play us anymore), so it had special significance. Auburn had won quite a few in a row in the series and Tech’s coach, Bill Curry, had never beaten Auburn (and never would). The Yellowjackets desperately wanted to win, and for most of the game, it looked as if they would. Tech led Auburn 10-7 with only 24 seconds remaining in the game when Jeff Burger found Lawyer Tillman in the back of the end zone. Jim Fyffe said it best: “TILLMAN TILLMAN TILLMAN! TOUCHDOWN AUBURN! A BULLET BY BURGER!” And then, as Tech tried desperately to come back down the field in the closing seconds, OLB Aundray Bruce picked off a pass (his second of the day) and returned it for a touchdown, making the final score 20-10 Auburn after the Tigers had actually trailed only a few seconds earlier. Astonishingly, this remains Auburn’s last win over Georgia Tech.
8. LSU, Baton Rouge, 1997 season.
John: Was this Dameyune Craig’s finest hour? Auburn scores the winning touchdown on a Rusty Williams run with thirty seconds left after an eighty yard drive that started with just over three minutes left in the game. Craig’s passing carried Auburn against the strong running of LSU and Cecil Collins.
Van: This was one of those games where it simply didn’t look like Auburn was going to win. The trends were against them; LSU had won hard-fought victories in 1995 and 1996, and we all know what a miracle it took to beat them in 1994. Cecil “the Diesel” Collins ran wild on the Auburn defense, gaining 232 yards on 27 carries, yet Auburn somehow managed to limit them to “only” 28 points—and, at the end of the day, Rusty Williams (not exactly astride the top of the Auburn historical rushing charts) had scored just as many touchdowns as Collins, and Craig had thrown for 342 yards. This was a good win against a bitter foe that really needed its win string over us snapped, and the 1997 Tigers got it done.
Two other wins in Tiger Stadium deserve mention: 1993 and 1999. The 1993 LSU game was Terry Bowden’s first big road win and an early component of “the Streak,” the twenty straight wins he achieved in his first two seasons. It marked the moment that Stan White stepped up in his senior year and truly became the quarterback we had always hoped he could be. The 1999 LSU game is the one that Bayou Bengals fans still refer to as the “cigar game,” in which Tommy Tuberville’s first squad absolutely pounded LSU, 41-7, and probably got Gerry DiNardo fired. The highlight of the game was probably Auburn’s first touchdown, a fake field goal in which kicker Damon Duval caught a flip-pass from the holder and ran untouched into the end zone. After the game, Auburn players smoked cigars, somehow offending LSU fans, who have held this up as an egregious insult ever since. Whatever.
7. Florida State, Tallahassee, 1984 season.
John: This game was not on TV, so you had to be there in person or listen on radio. This was the game that started the Tomahawk chop and the most annoying chant in sports history. And that memorable score: 42-41.
Van: This was the game where I and a whole lot of other Auburn people truly fell in love with Jim Fyffe. As John notes, this one wasn’t televised, so we had to tune in to “the Auburn Football Network” and listen. I tracked the game on a piece of notebook paper and was totally absorbed in every play as Jim laid it out. And what a game to try to keep track of! Back and forth it went; FSU did not yet have Mickey Andrews assembling stout defenses and Auburn’s was victimized by a wild and crazy Seminole attack. At the start of the game, Chief Osceola threw the flaming spear at the feet of the Auburn captains, and quarterback Pat Washington later said that gesture ticked him and the other players off. They showed it! The game ended with FSU deep in Auburn territory; had it been played for another hour, the score might have been 100-99.
It’s interesting to consider that Florida State has three modern-era wins over Auburn, and each came in a different location: Auburn (1987), New Orleans (1988), and Tallahassee (1989). During that same run of games, Auburn won three over them in Jordan-Hare (1983, 1985, and 1990) along with the above-mentioned victory in Tallahassee.
6. Alabama; Iron Bowl, 1982 season.
John: After nine years of losing, Auburn needed to stand up and win a slugfest-type game with Bama.
Van: This might have been as high as #2 on my list. A win over Alabama for the first time in nine years. (In human terms, put it this way: Alabama started their 9-win streak when I was in first grade. I didn’t get to see Auburn win the Iron Bowl until I was in high school and nearly had a driver’s license!) A win over the Bear in his final Iron Bowl. The tables in the state turning, at long last. This was without question the key win in Pat Dye’s early career at Auburn. Bo over the top; Pat Dye’s tear for the Bear; the goalposts at Legion Field coming down; Jim Fyffe’s “monumental victory!” call, not to mention that this is possibly the game where he first began to say “Touchdown Auburn!” every time; Randy Campbell and Lionel James; 23-22 forever.
5. Tennessee, Knoxville, 2004 season.
John: This game marked the first moment in the 2004 season when we all realized how good that team could be. Ronnie Brown running over the defender at the UT goal line is a moment I will never forget.
Van: Happy to say this is one of many on this list that I was there to witness in person. It’s amazing how quiet the better part of 100,000-plus people can get, very quickly—and how quickly they can evaporate from the stands as things turn against them. The Auburn defense made both of Tennessee’s rookie quarterbacks look like middle-schoolers, while Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, and Cadillac Williams tore the Vols defense apart time and again. A beautiful game and a complete team effort. In pregame, Coach Tuberville told the players, “It’ll take a good one, but let’s make it a great one.” They did.
Speaking of Tennessee, let us not overlook the SEC Championship Game win over them, later in that 2004 season—our first-ever win in the title game, and wonderful revenge for UT’s defeat of the Tigers in the first AU appearance there, in 1997.
And of course one of Pat Dye’s major early road wins was at Tennessee in 1983. I still remember Trey Gainous catching a Vols punt and taking it back to the house. Any win in Knoxville should be savored, and this was a great one.
4. Georgia, Athens, 1999 season.
John: The Ronney Daniels game. All that needs to be said. Nothing is better than UGA fans leaving the stadium in droves while booing their own team.
Van: They did indeed leave—if not at halftime, then at the start of the third quarter, when the Tigers came out and stuck yet another touchdown on the board. Remember, this was not a great Auburn team by any means—they had virtually no running game. Most of the offense was Ben Leard throwing to Ronney Daniels. Yet they absolutely torched a decent Georgia team in Sanford Stadium. It was simply astonishing.
A much more historically significant Auburn win over Georgia in Athens came near the end of the 1983 season. Georgia had won the previous three SEC titles in a row, leaning heavily on Herschell Walker on offense and a stout defense. Auburn had narrowly lost at home to the Dawgs the previous year, in the only meeting of Bo Jackson and Herschell. With Walker gone to the USFL, Auburn won a game of steel from the Dawgs, 13-7, ending Georgia’s dominance of the league and placing the Tigers at the top for most of the rest of the decade.
Also, because it doesn’t really fit in anywhere else on this list: South Carolina, SEC Championship Game, 2010 season. A beat-down for the ages, setting all kinds of SEC title game records, giving us our second-ever win in this game and our seventh conference title overall, getting us to the National Championship Game, and doing it all against a Steve Spurrier team! What’s not to love?
3. Florida, Gainesville, 1994 season.
John: So many things jump out about this game. Steve Spurrier, that great offense, and another high scoring, exciting Auburn win. And it was Spurrier’s first SEC loss at home! Let’s relive the highlights, shall we?
Van: Lots of things do come to mind when I recall Florida ’94. Auburn was well into what would become a 20-game winning streak under second-year coach Terry Bowden, who preached to the players before the game that, since the Tigers were not bowl-eligible due to probation, this was their “Super Bowl.” Only folks actually inside Jordan-Hare had been able to witness Auburn’s shocking upset of the Gators the year before, thanks to those same probation penalties, but in ’94 the Tigers were back on the air and looking to impress poll voters.
I had just completed my Master’s degree and was still living near the campus, and somehow managed to talk my roommate into scrounging up tickets and riding down to Gainesville with me. Watching it in person, surrounded by shocked and stunned Gators fans, was fun enough; going back and seeing the broadcast with Brent Musberger’s shouted “They never quit!” as Frank Sanders catches the final touchdown was possibly even better.
This was also the game where poor Terry “I wore Auburn pajamas as a kid” Dean’s Heisman campaign ended, and Danny Wuerffel’s began.
Two other big Auburn road wins over Florida deserve mention here: 1988 and 2007. The 1988 Auburn team, one of the finest units in Auburn history, not only won in the Swamp, where the Tigers hadn’t won in a while; they not only exorcised demons from Kerwin Bell’s huge comeback win in 1986 that knocked us out of the Sugar Bowl; they not only did it during Florida’s “Gator Growl” Homecoming celebration; but they did it by shutting out Emmitt Smith’s Gators, 16-0. The 2007 team took down Urban Meyer’s and Tim Tebow’s defending national champions in the Swamp, with then-freshman Wes Byrum kicking the winning field goal a second time, after Meyer called a quick time-out just prior to the first kick. This win guaranteed that neither Meyer nor Tebow ever defeated Auburn in their Florida careers.
2. Alabama, Tuscaloosa, 2002 season.
John: I think of this as the Tre Smith game. With Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams both injured and unable to play, nobody gave Auburn much of a chance. But Tre had a big day at running back. There was a thread on an Alabama message board during the game, in which Tide fans are melting down as the little third string “midget” rips them for lots of yardage. Someone copied it and sent it around the Internet for a while. I have a copy and still enjoy reading it from time to time.
Van: I might not have put this game this high. It was good to win yet again in Tuscaloosa (this game marking the third different century in which Auburn had won—and not yet lost—in T-Town). It was great to win in a year we weren’t supposed to—nobody saw this win coming!—and to beat smug Dennis Franchione during his “school down the road” season and, in a year when he continuously preached to Bama fans that they should all “hold the rope,” leave him holding the bag. And this game did mark the first of the six consecutive Iron Bowl wins by Tommy Tuberville’s teams. I’m just not certain it was the second-best ever.
I might have swapped in the 2004 Iron Bowl, which otherwise doesn’t even make our top ten list. That game was important in that it finished off another undefeated regular season and kept Auburn in the hunt for the national championship. And like the 2010 edition, the first half was agony until the Tigers got things going just before halftime. And don’t forget 1986, when Lawyer Tillman did his famous “Reverse to Victory” after two earlier Brent Fullwood touchdowns. But, honestly, a win over Alabama is huge in any season. Which gets us to the biggest of all:
1. Alabama; Tuscaloosa, 2010 season.
John: This was the best road win in Auburn history. The comeback, the stakes—nothing else is close.
Van: I have to agree, this one is definitely the best.
It’s funny—I’ve had some conversations with Auburn friends in the days since the season ended about what we think was the best game of this past year. I tend to choose the Arkansas game, which was simply a track meet, back and forth, close all the way—until Auburn exploded on the Hogs and crushed them in the fourth quarter. Most of my friends unhesitatingly choose the Iron Bowl. My usual response has been, “It’s hard for me to pick as ‘best game of the year’ a contest in which I spent most of the first half wanting to slash my wrists.”
Despite how awful the first half looked and felt, however, it did turn into a huge, tremendous, gargantuan win—an almost unfathomable one; a comeback of nearly unthinkable proportions. Starting just before halftime, the Tiger offense outscored Alabama 28-3 in the Tide’s own stadium, in front of over a hundred thousand very loud and mostly crimson-clad partisans. The defense, meanwhile, went from making McElroy look like Joe Montana to making him look like Hannah Montana. The ticket to Atlanta might already have been punched, following the win over Georgia, but what a hollow trip to the SEC title game it would have been if Auburn had not come back to win this one—and all bets about Glendale would have been off.
Also, in recruiting news:
Athlon’s College Football magazine, now in stores, has Auburn and Alabama tied with at least one other school for the most commits on Athlon’s composite top 100 recruits list, with eight each.
But they still have running back Mike Blakely listed with Florida. His recent transfer to Auburn gives the Tigers nine players on their composite list, currently—which is more than anyone else in the country.
Note also that two of Alabama’s eight were players they swiped from Auburn at the last minute (or after the last minute!) in Cyrus Kouandjio and Brent Calloway. Had things worked out differently with them, the Tigers suddenly would have eleven of the top 100, while Alabama would be left with only six. It was that critical for the Tide to get those two players back in the fold.
So—what could have been is truly astounding, but what actually is is still pretty darned remarkable. At least one recruiting service has re-ranked teams following Blakely’s transfer, and now Auburn has the top-ranked class. The future looks bright!
Van Allen Plexico managed to attend Auburn (and score student football tickets) for some portion of every year between 1986 and 1996. He realizes that’s probably not something one should brag about, but hey. He teaches college near St Louis (because ten years as a student was somehow just not enough time to spend at school) and writes and edits for a variety of publishers. Find links to his various projects at www.plexico.net.
John Ringer graduated from Auburn in 1991 (which may be the greatest time ever to be an Auburn student – SEC titles in 1987, 88 and 89 and the 1989 Iron Bowl). His family has had season tickets every year since well before he was born and he grew up wandering around Jordan-Hare on game days. He currently lives in Richmond, Virginia where he spends way too much time reading about college football on the internet and teaching his children to love Auburn football.
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I was at the 84 FSU game as an Auburn sophomore. An unusual side note – Auburn received the opening kickoff and the second half kickoff. Apparently the FSU captain said, “we’ll kick” instead of “we defer” after winning the toss. That second half kickoff was the wildest I’ve ever seen. Fullwood fumbled it, and Ed Graham ran it the rest of the way for a TD.
Secondly, the thing I remember about the Leard/Daniel UGA game was the coin toss. On tv, the UGA QB could be heard taunting Leard by saying, “Give Ben the Ball, Give Ben the Ball!”. They did, and Ben kicked their arse.
The #1 is undoubtedly #1 and that’s for damn sure.
I’ve always said that you don’t fully appreciate a victory over Alabama without remembering what a loss feels like, and in this game I did not have to!
We were getting mashed like taters to make vodka in that game. Showed no signs of life, and it was ABUNDANTLY clear that the refs favored the Tide. But then, something happened.
That sick little feeling of hope, the one that exists only to taunt you, it began to grow. And grow. Cameron was back to himself. Another defensive stop. Then Nick Fairley caused a fumble and recovered it himself.
I never thought we had it in the bag, I don’t think anyone ever did. Even when that backup QB came in, I was remembering that sick, dread feeling I had that same time in 2009 when Greg McElroy must have jammed every 4 leaf clover in Ireland up his McAss and lead that dreadful drive down the field. I was just thinking, how awful would it be, how terrible, if they just got in field goal range.
When that ball hit the ground on that 4th down and the clock ran out though, it was was real. We’d just had the best game I’d ever seen in my life.
In one day, I had known the pain of a loss to Alabama in the first quarter and the diabetically sweet taste of victory in that comeback. That contrast alone made it the best game. Maybe the one in January was a little more important, but that’s like arguing steak vs. lobster, you’re on easy street either way.
Hell, I remember Alabama fans I knew going on Facebook saying Auburn was a fraud and Alabama deserved to be in the national championship game after they beat us, since it was already over. Never will there be an Iron Bowl so enjoyable. I don’t even think we’ve grasped the scope of it yet.
“My usual response has been, “It’s hard for me to pick as ‘best game of the year’ a contest in which I spent most of the first half wanting to slash my wrists.”
This made me laugh out loud, and exactly how I felt! I usually just watch the second half for this reason, but every once in awhile it is fun to watch and see how delirously happy the bammers were thinking they had the game won.
Will Collier says
I would still put uat 1982 at the top of the list, but (and I never though I’d live to say this about another game), 2010 would push damn hard for my #1.
A few others that were missed: uat in 1983, when Bo just dominated a good Turd defense with nearly 250 rushing yards. “In your face!”, as Keith Jackson noted at the time.
I’d have to rate the ’83 Georgia game in the top 10 for most significant as well… going to Athens and taking the SEC crown away from the three-time defending champs was a monumental step up the mountain for Auburn.
Speaking of Georgia, the ’97 game deserves at least a mention… it was very similar to the ’99 (and now that I think about it, ’95) editions in that Auburn was widely expected to get killed, but wound up winning easily. The Tigers had played terribly in their last conference game, getting blanked by Mississippi State at home when Bowden refused to run the ball, but proceeded to blow UGA out of their own stadium–and did so mostly on the ground. Terry could drive you severely crazy towards the end of his tenure, but that was still a great win, complete with the inevitable early-departure of the Dawgie “faithful.” (See also, 1989… even the TBS–later JP, later LF–guys made fun of them on the air for that.)
For almost-entirely selfish reasons, I’d give at least notice to Texas ’91, which was notable for being arguably Pat Dye’s last significant win at Auburn. I fell in love with Austin at approximately the time our flight touched down the Thursday before the game. I graduated from AU the next March, moved out there shortly afterwards, and enrolled at UT for grad school in August of ’92. That game was also the first (as it turned out, of many) Texas loss for then-new coach and serial failure John Mackovic–who, naturally, got a job later with ESPN.
Two last thoughts: Mississippi State in ’82 and ’86. In both cases, the Other Bulldogs were loudly billed by the media as a “trap game” for Auburn. In ’82, a sick Bo Jackson came off the bench (I think–maybe he started, but he wasn’t healthy either way) to spark a big win, and in ’86, Auburn just rolled over a 6-1 MSU by 35-6 in a highly-touted ESPN night game. In both cases, the win was bigger than your regular run-of-the-mill tilt against one of the Mississippis, but because of who the opponent was, both have largely been forgotten today. The State game in ’86 also fell under the radar thanks to happening on the same night as the infamous “Bill Buckner” game in the Mets/Red Sox World series…
John Ringer says
Van and I considered a lot of other games. It was not easy to pick these – and any win over bama away from J-H could have made the list.
Will – we did not consider the Texas game, that was a good one.
I will never get tired of reading the bama fan comments during the 2002 Auburn – bama game.
Paul the Oracle says
What about Auburn at Florida 2007… 26 pt underdogs.. Hello Mr. Wes Byrum…. So Nice he did it Twice… Florida might have been National Champs but they cant beat us…. Senator Lou Holtz… This was the game Florida was suppose to take revenge on us for us beating them the year before. Only team that Urburn Meyer and Tim Tebow could not beat in there careers
And as for games “before” 1981:
1. 1972 -vs UA – Punt bammer punt
2. 1963 – vs UA – 10-8, led by back-up Mailon Kent
3. 1971 – vs UT – 10-9, the relevised game making Pat Sullivan the frontrunnner for the Heisman
4- 1971 – vs UGA – 35-28? Clinching the Heisman for Sully
I think the ’08 AU v MSU game deserves honorable mention. I keed, I keed!
That is a game we’d all like to forget, but will remember forever just like the ones above.
Van P in Illinois says
Will– I considered ’91 Texas, but it ended up being a low-scoring defensive battle of two teams with losing records IIRC, and wasn’t a great game to watch. I do love beating Texas, but 1987 accomplished that in grand style, so ’91 is almost forgotten. All I really recall from it is Joe Frazier having a decent game at RB.
Paul– I did mention 2007 Florida in the #3 section. After the 2000 SEC title game loss, Tuberville really had Florida’s number. (It wasn’t his fault that Duval missed an easy FG that would have beaten them in 2002!)
Lifelongtiger– Thanks for the pre-’81 mentions!
Tiger Trumpet says
Those of us who lived through the Reign of Terror (1973 – 1981) will always put the 1982 Iron Bowl at the top of our lists. If you were not an Auburn man or woman during those days (and I was in the Auburn Band from 1976 – 1980), it is hard to understand how hard those years were. When Bo went over the top, we were freed. It was Passover, it was the Fourth of July, it was liberation! Yes, there have been great victories since – and the 2010 game against UAT was one of the best of those – but it was that 1982 game that made those possible. The iron yoke was broken. The foot was taken off of our neck. We were free!
I stopped reading after you screwed up a couple facts from the 05 UGA game.
Van P in Southern IL says
It would have been helpful if you could’ve mentioned which facts were “screwed up.” Your memory might not be any better than ours, but now we will never know.
Van P in Illinois says
The funny thing is, we based our comments on the video that’s linked right there. So I’d really appreciate if someone–anyone– could point out how we “screwed up a couple of facts” about it. We didn’t go into the details of how you can’t advance a fumble into the end zone on fourth down, but I for one didn’t think it was necessary to go through all the mechanics of it.
I can only guess the mistake since he didn’t list it. You have written fourth and 11 above the video. The video lists the down as fourth and 16.
What about the 2007 game in the Swamp?! CHOMP CHOMP!
Van P in Illinois says
Read #3, Clint. I’d have rated it higher, but we do discuss it.
Michael Val Hietter says
’86 Iron Bowl–first and only Iron Bowl I have personally attended. Right after the UGA “Hose” game. We were tortured by two UAT students in the Auburn section through the entire game, until Lawyer took it in. The look on those two fans faces from that point on was worth the price of admission itself.
I also remember vividly seeing Lawyer try to call the timeout, and was scared the play was going to blow up when it wasn’t granted–until a few seconds later, of course! Funny thing, I didn’t see Lawyer actually score the TD, because of the wall of AU blockers on that side of the field, and the crowd went so wild I couldn’t tell from the announcer (a Bama staffer, I guess, as we were in white unis that year) if it was a score or a stop until the extra-point unit got onto the field.
Later that evening, my friend and I watched the reverse play on his dad’s new VCR which had an instant forward-back control (like a “coach’s clicker”)–high tech stuff in those days–and marveled at just how well that play was drawn up AND executed.
Two other plays I remember–Trey Gainous sliding to get the Jeff Burger pass on fourth down during the winning drive, and a first-half play I really remember was AU stuffing the Tide on a fourth-and-one, and finding out later how the defensive coaches found a “tell” that the up-back had that gave away when he would get the ball versus him blocking for the tailback.
I personally give the ’86 Iron Bowl the greatest Iron Bowl designation until the 2010 game!
(who did see that you included Iron Bowl ’86 in the discussion portion of one of the entries)