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	<title>Comments on: Let the dogs of 2004 lie, thanks</title>
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		<title>By: almightytmc1</title>
		<link>http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/05/let-the-dogs-of-2004-lie-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-21955</link>
		<dc:creator>almightytmc1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Auburn didnt win the 1957 championship on the field either. Ohio State did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Auburn didnt win the 1957 championship on the field either. Ohio State did.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Nuclear Day, college football fans &#124; The War Eagle Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/05/let-the-dogs-of-2004-lie-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-14183</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Nuclear Day, college football fans &#124; The War Eagle Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Because it&#8217;s the Auburn angle, we&#8217;ll start here: as I said a little while back, the vacation of USC&#8217;s wins, including the 2004 Orange Bowl victory over Oklahoma, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Because it&#8217;s the Auburn angle, we&#8217;ll start here: as I said a little while back, the vacation of USC&#8217;s wins, including the 2004 Orange Bowl victory over Oklahoma, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blow</title>
		<link>http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/05/let-the-dogs-of-2004-lie-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-12985</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Blow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are all forgetting one thing...National Championships are not won in college football, they are awarded.  So if the AP goes back and decides to award Auburn, I say accept it.  Just don&#039;t claim it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are all forgetting one thing&#8230;National Championships are not won in college football, they are awarded.  So if the AP goes back and decides to award Auburn, I say accept it.  Just don&#8217;t claim it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
		<link>http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/05/let-the-dogs-of-2004-lie-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-12794</link>
		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 13:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sorta agree and kinda disagree with you Jerry --- but like I told Wayne &quot;hey you and I know as much about football as many sportswriters and more than most, we should just vote for a winner&quot; and we did. Guess what? Auburn won the first Wayne and Hobbes Board NC in 2004.

I think Texas won it in 05 ( or we forgot to vote) UF in 06, no team was worthy in 07, Utah in 08 and Boise State in 09.

Point is that I know, I KNOW, that Auburn would have skull dragged Oklahoma and beaten USC in 04 ---just as I know that Bo is the greatest all around athlete of our generation. So do I need a bunch of hacks whose jobs are being threatened by bloggers in their mom &#039;s basement to validate AU 2004? No. No I do not. Did AU win a MNC in 04? Yes.Yes we did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sorta agree and kinda disagree with you Jerry &#8212; but like I told Wayne &#8220;hey you and I know as much about football as many sportswriters and more than most, we should just vote for a winner&#8221; and we did. Guess what? Auburn won the first Wayne and Hobbes Board NC in 2004.</p>
<p>I think Texas won it in 05 ( or we forgot to vote) UF in 06, no team was worthy in 07, Utah in 08 and Boise State in 09.</p>
<p>Point is that I know, I KNOW, that Auburn would have skull dragged Oklahoma and beaten USC in 04 &#8212;just as I know that Bo is the greatest all around athlete of our generation. So do I need a bunch of hacks whose jobs are being threatened by bloggers in their mom &#8216;s basement to validate AU 2004? No. No I do not. Did AU win a MNC in 04? Yes.Yes we did.</p>
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		<title>By: AubOrange</title>
		<link>http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/05/let-the-dogs-of-2004-lie-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-12727</link>
		<dc:creator>AubOrange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 19:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agreed, WBE, although I don&#039;t like your hesitation in stating that Auburn had the best team in the country in 2004. 

I mean, after four straight SEC national titles, it&#039;s pretty much accepted everywhere in the country except on the west coast. (And maybe even there, too. Couple weeks ago I dropped by an Oakland Raiders message board just because I felt the need to give them an honest and knowledgeable opinion on Jason Campbell, and the conversation quickly turned to how raw our 2004 team was and how bad they got screwed.)

And I mean that even with USC in the picture. Sure, I remember all the media hype and jive and how everybody in the world thought USC was an unstoppable killing machine back then. But looking back, they weren&#039;t much at all. I remember when that season was going on, all we heard was how USC is gonna go down as one of the greatest teams of all time, how they could beat the Detroit Lions, and how we&#039;re gonna be hearing about this particular squad for years to come. And now it&#039;s years to come, and you don&#039;t hear anything. Hell, just looking back at the schedule, they coulda woulda shoulda lost to Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, and UCLA.

Now, hindsight is 20/20. We saw them bleed in 2005, and now, our 2004 team alumni has had tons of success in the NFL, while 2004 USC has produced a career backup quarterback and that slot receiver guy that got dumped by Kim Kardashian.

ANYWAY, all this does is go to your point, that even if this crazy re-vote stuff somehow happens, Auburn should deny the acknowledgement. We didn&#039;t accept the 2004 AP Poll where we were #2, so why accept a 2010-2004 AP Poll where we are #1; especially if it&#039;s a poll that doesn&#039;t have USC on it and, specifically, on it behind us.

But, regardless of all of that, the main reason I don&#039;t want to accept this thing is because I don&#039;t want to even touch the great entity that is the 2004 season. People who say they have a bitter taste in their mouth when they think of that year must have clearly forgotten how EUPHORIC the season was. That year was as good as it gets. It was perfect. From where I&#039;m sitting, we as fans had a whole heck of a lot more fun during our 2004 run than Alabama fans just did in their national title run -- and that just goes as a testament to how special our 2004 team was.

The team got rings, Jordan-Hare got an SEC Champions banner, and we fans got a Sports Illustrated commemorative edition, and the T-shirts with the player waving the flag, and the whole nine yards.

It was perfect. And I don&#039;t want anything to change it. The mystique, the aura, the memories -- the whole thing.

It was better than a national championship. It was 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agreed, WBE, although I don&#8217;t like your hesitation in stating that Auburn had the best team in the country in 2004. </p>
<p>I mean, after four straight SEC national titles, it&#8217;s pretty much accepted everywhere in the country except on the west coast. (And maybe even there, too. Couple weeks ago I dropped by an Oakland Raiders message board just because I felt the need to give them an honest and knowledgeable opinion on Jason Campbell, and the conversation quickly turned to how raw our 2004 team was and how bad they got screwed.)</p>
<p>And I mean that even with USC in the picture. Sure, I remember all the media hype and jive and how everybody in the world thought USC was an unstoppable killing machine back then. But looking back, they weren&#8217;t much at all. I remember when that season was going on, all we heard was how USC is gonna go down as one of the greatest teams of all time, how they could beat the Detroit Lions, and how we&#8217;re gonna be hearing about this particular squad for years to come. And now it&#8217;s years to come, and you don&#8217;t hear anything. Hell, just looking back at the schedule, they coulda woulda shoulda lost to Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, and UCLA.</p>
<p>Now, hindsight is 20/20. We saw them bleed in 2005, and now, our 2004 team alumni has had tons of success in the NFL, while 2004 USC has produced a career backup quarterback and that slot receiver guy that got dumped by Kim Kardashian.</p>
<p>ANYWAY, all this does is go to your point, that even if this crazy re-vote stuff somehow happens, Auburn should deny the acknowledgement. We didn&#8217;t accept the 2004 AP Poll where we were #2, so why accept a 2010-2004 AP Poll where we are #1; especially if it&#8217;s a poll that doesn&#8217;t have USC on it and, specifically, on it behind us.</p>
<p>But, regardless of all of that, the main reason I don&#8217;t want to accept this thing is because I don&#8217;t want to even touch the great entity that is the 2004 season. People who say they have a bitter taste in their mouth when they think of that year must have clearly forgotten how EUPHORIC the season was. That year was as good as it gets. It was perfect. From where I&#8217;m sitting, we as fans had a whole heck of a lot more fun during our 2004 run than Alabama fans just did in their national title run &#8212; and that just goes as a testament to how special our 2004 team was.</p>
<p>The team got rings, Jordan-Hare got an SEC Champions banner, and we fans got a Sports Illustrated commemorative edition, and the T-shirts with the player waving the flag, and the whole nine yards.</p>
<p>It was perfect. And I don&#8217;t want anything to change it. The mystique, the aura, the memories &#8212; the whole thing.</p>
<p>It was better than a national championship. It was 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex P in Smyrna G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex P in Smyrna G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan, I think you nailed it!

If (and I mean IF) the AP were to revote that title in Auburn&#039;s favor.  President Gogue should issue a public reply to the effect of &quot;No thanks.  Try sending it to Tuscaloosa.  I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll take it off your hands.&quot;  

That would make me smile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan, I think you nailed it!</p>
<p>If (and I mean IF) the AP were to revote that title in Auburn&#8217;s favor.  President Gogue should issue a public reply to the effect of &#8220;No thanks.  Try sending it to Tuscaloosa.  I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll take it off your hands.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That would make me smile.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex P in Smyrna G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex P in Smyrna G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #1

If I could go back in time, I wouldn&#039;t touch Jason White.  I&#039;d find a way to get Reggie Bush busted in time to keep USC out of the Orange Bowl.  Auburn would have run the Sooners out of that stadium just as easily as USC did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #1</p>
<p>If I could go back in time, I wouldn&#8217;t touch Jason White.  I&#8217;d find a way to get Reggie Bush busted in time to keep USC out of the Orange Bowl.  Auburn would have run the Sooners out of that stadium just as easily as USC did.</p>
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		<title>By: sullivan013</title>
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		<dc:creator>sullivan013</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 18:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree.  The 2004 season is already legendary.  Awarding the BCS trophy with a scribbled correction on the brass at this late date would just add insult to injury; a meaningless gesture not decided upon the field of play.

Hell, I&#039;d rather Bama claim it as yet another one of theirs rather than it be given as an afterthought to Auburn.

Sullivan013</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree.  The 2004 season is already legendary.  Awarding the BCS trophy with a scribbled correction on the brass at this late date would just add insult to injury; a meaningless gesture not decided upon the field of play.</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;d rather Bama claim it as yet another one of theirs rather than it be given as an afterthought to Auburn.</p>
<p>Sullivan013</p>
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		<title>By: He'sTheChizAndNobodyBeatsHim</title>
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		<dc:creator>He'sTheChizAndNobodyBeatsHim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 17:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bears are the number one threat to America, Jerry.</description>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 17:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget &#039;93-&#039;94.  20 in a row, which still stands as AU&#039;s longest winning streak I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget &#8217;93-&#8217;94.  20 in a row, which still stands as AU&#8217;s longest winning streak I believe.</p>
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