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		<title>By: Plainslinks looks a title in the mouth &#124; The War Eagle Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plainslinks looks a title in the mouth &#124; The War Eagle Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quibble with a couple of choices&#8211;I would make room for Tommy Jackson, Ben Nowland, and Devin Aromashodu&#8211;but there&#8217;s nothing egregious. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quibble with a couple of choices&#8211;I would make room for Tommy Jackson, Ben Nowland, and Devin Aromashodu&#8211;but there&#8217;s nothing egregious. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Auburn AUghts: The Stories &#124; The War Eagle Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Auburn AUghts: The Stories &#124; The War Eagle Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] football. Today: the 10 biggest off-field stories of the last 10 years. Previously: the Plays and the Players. Enjoy. For better, for worse, this is the guy who defined Auburn&#039;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pie</title>
		<link>http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/01/the-auburn-aughts-the-players/comment-page-1/#comment-4501</link>
		<dc:creator>Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the most part, I agree with the list.  Focusing on the the Running Backs, I want to talk about Ronnie.

Ronnie was great, but he didn&#039;t do as much as the Cadillac.  Not even close.

Career Rushing Yards:
Williams: 3831
Brown: 2707

Career Non-Rushing Yards:
Williams: 1253
Brown: 683

Career TD:
Williams: 46
Brown: 30

I love Ronnie, but it shouldn&#039;t be a split decision.

I got a list of the top Auburn Running Backs online with stats. It breaks them down and includes Tate.

http://pieonsports.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/ranking-ben-tate-among-the-all-time-auburn-rushers/

-Pie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part, I agree with the list.  Focusing on the the Running Backs, I want to talk about Ronnie.</p>
<p>Ronnie was great, but he didn&#8217;t do as much as the Cadillac.  Not even close.</p>
<p>Career Rushing Yards:<br />
Williams: 3831<br />
Brown: 2707</p>
<p>Career Non-Rushing Yards:<br />
Williams: 1253<br />
Brown: 683</p>
<p>Career TD:<br />
Williams: 46<br />
Brown: 30</p>
<p>I love Ronnie, but it shouldn&#8217;t be a split decision.</p>
<p>I got a list of the top Auburn Running Backs online with stats. It breaks them down and includes Tate.</p>
<p><a href="http://pieonsports.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/ranking-ben-tate-among-the-all-time-auburn-rushers/" rel="nofollow">http://pieonsports.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/ranking-ben-tate-among-the-all-time-auburn-rushers/</a></p>
<p>-Pie</p>
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		<title>By: WarBlogEagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarBlogEagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, the picture of Simmons is fixed, along with his position--he was playing LT, as it turns out.

Thanks for all the suggestions/nominees. I&#039;ll update the post with a couple in a few days. To hit a couple of specific player points:

-- Ben Grubbs was a tough call. I know he was an All-American, first-round draft choice, etc., but that 2006 line really should have been better than it was. I thought the top 20 ought to be reserved for guys who pretty much played to the peak of their abilities the entire time, and I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d say that about Grubbs.

-- You could flip a coin between Rosegreen (another late &quot;cut&quot;) and Herring. I went with Herring because 1) the starts record 2) ultimately I thought he was more critical to that 2006 team&#039;s success than Rosegreen ever was to his teams&#039;, but that&#039;s obviously an extremely subjective measure. 

tiger7: I&#039;d argue that it was Brown&#039;s emergence in &#039;02 that drove Cadillac to come back from his injury with the fury that he did. I&#039;d also argue that it was the terror and versatility that resulted from having them both on the field in &#039;04 that made that offense what it was. I&#039;m fine with saying Caddi ought to get the No. 1 nod (obviously not the way I went, but I understand it), but I also don&#039;t doubt that both players got a lot of their simultaneous presence on the roster. Hell, they even said as much at the time.

Alex P: The 2005 offense scored at almost the exact same rate (32.2 PPG to 32.1), but averaged about 10 fewer total yards per game and saw its per-play average drop from 6.4 to 6 even. And sorry, even in &#039;05 Cox was not in the same ballpark with Campbell--2.5 yards fewer per throw, a huge dip in passer rating, and the flurry of picks that cost us the Ga. Tech game. I think it all adds up to a &quot;minor step backwards,&quot; yes. 

Chris, Will: thanks for the memory, and the clip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, the picture of Simmons is fixed, along with his position&#8211;he was playing LT, as it turns out.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the suggestions/nominees. I&#8217;ll update the post with a couple in a few days. To hit a couple of specific player points:</p>
<p>&#8211; Ben Grubbs was a tough call. I know he was an All-American, first-round draft choice, etc., but that 2006 line really should have been better than it was. I thought the top 20 ought to be reserved for guys who pretty much played to the peak of their abilities the entire time, and I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d say that about Grubbs.</p>
<p>&#8211; You could flip a coin between Rosegreen (another late &#8220;cut&#8221;) and Herring. I went with Herring because 1) the starts record 2) ultimately I thought he was more critical to that 2006 team&#8217;s success than Rosegreen ever was to his teams&#8217;, but that&#8217;s obviously an extremely subjective measure. </p>
<p>tiger7: I&#8217;d argue that it was Brown&#8217;s emergence in &#8217;02 that drove Cadillac to come back from his injury with the fury that he did. I&#8217;d also argue that it was the terror and versatility that resulted from having them both on the field in &#8217;04 that made that offense what it was. I&#8217;m fine with saying Caddi ought to get the No. 1 nod (obviously not the way I went, but I understand it), but I also don&#8217;t doubt that both players got a lot of their simultaneous presence on the roster. Hell, they even said as much at the time.</p>
<p>Alex P: The 2005 offense scored at almost the exact same rate (32.2 PPG to 32.1), but averaged about 10 fewer total yards per game and saw its per-play average drop from 6.4 to 6 even. And sorry, even in &#8217;05 Cox was not in the same ballpark with Campbell&#8211;2.5 yards fewer per throw, a huge dip in passer rating, and the flurry of picks that cost us the Ga. Tech game. I think it all adds up to a &#8220;minor step backwards,&#8221; yes. </p>
<p>Chris, Will: thanks for the memory, and the clip.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, I gotta say man. I was scrolling down to post the exact same thing. That single-handed option-beater was the best defensive play of the decade that very few remember.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbHyFdlw64I

Footage at the 1:35 mark. On an unrelated note. That D played with some serious swagger. Let&#039;s bring that back, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, I gotta say man. I was scrolling down to post the exact same thing. That single-handed option-beater was the best defensive play of the decade that very few remember.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbHyFdlw64I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbHyFdlw64I</a></p>
<p>Footage at the 1:35 mark. On an unrelated note. That D played with some serious swagger. Let&#8217;s bring that back, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: KoolBell4AU</title>
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		<dc:creator>KoolBell4AU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so glad to see Courtney Taylor on your list. I can&#039;t remember him ever dropping a ball that was reasonably close. If Auburn needed a clutch catch, at a crucial point in the game, Taylor was there for the grab. Sounds like the season Darvin Adams just had, huh?

WAR EAGLE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so glad to see Courtney Taylor on your list. I can&#8217;t remember him ever dropping a ball that was reasonably close. If Auburn needed a clutch catch, at a crucial point in the game, Taylor was there for the grab. Sounds like the season Darvin Adams just had, huh?</p>
<p>WAR EAGLE!</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier Garanzuay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier Garanzuay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,
AUsome stuff as always....  I&#039;m sure they&#039;re out there somewhere but how bout the same type of list for the 80s and 90s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,<br />
AUsome stuff as always&#8230;.  I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re out there somewhere but how bout the same type of list for the 80s and 90s?</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, I don&#039;t think that picture is of Kendall Simmons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, I don&#8217;t think that picture is of Kendall Simmons.</p>
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		<title>By: tiger7_88</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiger7_88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And oh, by the way... you have Tommy Jackson ranked WAY too low.  Dude was a flat-out stud and mauler.

But great work as usual, Jerry!  Provocative list!  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And oh, by the way&#8230; you have Tommy Jackson ranked WAY too low.  Dude was a flat-out stud and mauler.</p>
<p>But great work as usual, Jerry!  Provocative list!  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: tiger7_88</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiger7_88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, you wrote (with regard to Caddy and Ronnie):

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;Neither one is what he became for Auburn without the other...&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

I couldn&#039;t disagree more.  Here&#039;s how I see it..

When Caddy stepped on campus, he was Caddy.  Carnell Williams didn&#039;t need any other running back to provide competition in order to motivate him to improve himself or his game.  Caddy did that (ALWAYS) because of who he was and the way he is.  You could tell from his first carry that this kid GOT it.  Now he learned over the years.  Got better.  Improved his game.  But he had &quot;it&quot; from Day One.

Ronnie Brown?  Not so much.  In 2000, he got 10 yards on six carries in his the first two games and red-shirted.  NO instant impact.  In 2001, Ronnie rushed for 330 yards and two TDs on 84 carries (3.9 ypc).  What did Caddy do in 2001 (his true freshman year)?  He rushed for 614 yards and 6 TDs on 120 carries (5.1 ypc).  It is well known that the 2001 season lit a fire under Ronnie and he started working harder and longer to improve his game, much harder than he had the previous two years.  What motivated him to do so?  Carnell Williams.

Two great Auburn running backs, absolutely.  LOVE&#039;EM both.

But the Cadillac stepped on campus ready to roar (and, breaking Auburn records in single-season TDs and career TDs).  It took a Cadillac running him over to motivate Ronnie Brown (and, to his credit, he stepped up to the challenge).

THAT&#039;S the difference (Auburn record-holder) Carnell Williams and Ronnie Brown as Auburn players.  There may not be a &lt;b&gt;significant&lt;/b&gt; difference between the two and their contributions to the Auburn team.  But there IS a difference... and that difference is to the Cadillac&#039;s advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, you wrote (with regard to Caddy and Ronnie):</p>
<p><i><b>&#8220;Neither one is what he became for Auburn without the other&#8230;&#8221;</b></i></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree more.  Here&#8217;s how I see it..</p>
<p>When Caddy stepped on campus, he was Caddy.  Carnell Williams didn&#8217;t need any other running back to provide competition in order to motivate him to improve himself or his game.  Caddy did that (ALWAYS) because of who he was and the way he is.  You could tell from his first carry that this kid GOT it.  Now he learned over the years.  Got better.  Improved his game.  But he had &#8220;it&#8221; from Day One.</p>
<p>Ronnie Brown?  Not so much.  In 2000, he got 10 yards on six carries in his the first two games and red-shirted.  NO instant impact.  In 2001, Ronnie rushed for 330 yards and two TDs on 84 carries (3.9 ypc).  What did Caddy do in 2001 (his true freshman year)?  He rushed for 614 yards and 6 TDs on 120 carries (5.1 ypc).  It is well known that the 2001 season lit a fire under Ronnie and he started working harder and longer to improve his game, much harder than he had the previous two years.  What motivated him to do so?  Carnell Williams.</p>
<p>Two great Auburn running backs, absolutely.  LOVE&#8217;EM both.</p>
<p>But the Cadillac stepped on campus ready to roar (and, breaking Auburn records in single-season TDs and career TDs).  It took a Cadillac running him over to motivate Ronnie Brown (and, to his credit, he stepped up to the challenge).</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;S the difference (Auburn record-holder) Carnell Williams and Ronnie Brown as Auburn players.  There may not be a <b>significant</b> difference between the two and their contributions to the Auburn team.  But there IS a difference&#8230; and that difference is to the Cadillac&#8217;s advantage.</p>
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